Poker Blinds Vs Ante
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I highly recommend the wsop blind sequence in pfapfap's tournament cheat sheet, see the faq. It's battle tested and familiar to many players. A common reference point is that the antes total about an extra big blind, or phrased another way, are about 1/8 the big blind. Similar topic: WSOP and other tournaments often keep antes the same for 2 or 3 levels, while blinds are increasing. So the first level (where antes large compared to blinds) should be played aggressively while the next level(s) with same antes should be played more passively. Levels ante blinds 1 - 100—100 2 100 100—100 3 200 100—200 4 300 200—300 5 400 200—400 6 500 300—500 15 minute break – end of registration 7 600 300—600 8 800 400—800 9 1,000 500—1,000 10 1,200 600—1,200 11 1,600 800—1,600 15 minute break – color up 100 chips 12 2,000 1,000—2,000 13 2,500 1,500—2,500 14 3,000 1,500. That would be stud games for the most part, although some people play draw games with an ante (really, you can play any game with an ante instead of blinds if you want, however most games structure things so the player with the worst chances has to put in an extra bet, such as holdem making the 1st and 2nd player pay extra, and stud games the.
As with any other major change in an industry, the Big Blind Ante’s adoption in the tournament poker scene has come with its fair share of debate. In the initial stages, that debate centered on big blind ante vs. button ante, and whether or not the Big Blind Ante (BBA) is good for the game. Now discussions have moved toward the finer details of its implementation.
The latest question in the BBA trend is whether or not the amount of the BBA should be reduced (or cut in half) when the tables are short-handed, including when a final table gets down to five or six players.
The outspoken Allen Kessler recently took to Twitter to poll players on whether they are on Team Reduce, or Team Non-Reduce. The results are in with 1,158 votes tallied, but before we divulge, let’s explore both sides of the issue.
An Illustration of the Issue in Question
If blinds are 5K/10K, the BBA at a typical table would match the big blind and be 10K. This keeps the ante amount very close to what would be collected in antes from a full table in the traditional manner of ante collection. But what happens when a table is down to five or six players?
A question arises in this case as to whether the BBA should be reduced or halved to match more closely what would be collected in antes the traditional way. Following from the given example, at a five-handed table, the antes would more likely total 5K rather than 10K (1K for each player). Thus, forcing the big blind to put in 10K plus 10K for the BBA seems excessive.
The Reduce-or-Not Debate
Proponents of reducing the BBA in these cases argue that the excessive ante changes the game, perhaps a bit too much. The big blind, especially if short, is now putting in a larger percentage of their stack before the cards are dealt. The other players have more to gain proportionally by stealing blinds, so shoves become more profitable.
But some, like Matt Savage, point out that the use of the BBA throughout the tournament allows players to see more hands, which gets the tournament to the final table quicker with deeper stacks. In this case, the full BBA at the final table can keep things moving along, whereas reducing could potentially make the final drag out.
Mike Sexton vs. Matt Savage
A friendly discussion ensued from Kessler’s tweet, and within it were two well-respected figures in poker who seem to fall on opposite sides of the debate. Here’s a look at Mike Sexton and Matt Savage’s internet debate for some insight into the issue.
It started with Sexton defending the reduced BB ante, bringing up its recent use during a recent partypoker LIVE event:
“On Day 2, play was 6-handed (meaning many players played it) & @partypokerlive played with the half-ante (SB ante) and truthfully, it seemed like every player liked it.”
Savage, speaking up for #TeamNeverReduce, responded: “More action, deeper Final Tables, and ZERO complaints, what’s not to like Mike?”
'@partypokerlive played with the half-ante (SB ante) and truthfully, it seemed like every player liked it.”
Sexton came back to Savage with a question:
“When everyone put in an ante at FT, the total ante amount was half as much when they reach 5 players. It would be the same if SB ante was used 5-handed. Why do you now like twice as much in ante money w/BB ante 5-handed?”
Savage explained just why:
“Because FT’s are so much deeper now with BBA, you would love it I promise you of course as commentator and even as a player. The ante with BBA is smaller than individual ante already.”
Sexton, being the open and inquisitive poker ambassador that he is, proposed a chat:
“Let’s have lunch next week so you can explain this to me @SavagePoker Much deeper?? The same number of chips are in play at the FT whether the tourn was individual ante or BB ante. I’m confused. FYI, I’m a huge fan of BB ante - all the way to the final six.”
Poker Blinds And Antes
'There is always pressure on the short stack. At the last WPTDS they were both 100BB deep heads up, the extra ante is needed!”
Savage accepted:
“IN! And it’s not close Mike, everywhere the BBA to the end has been used there has been NO ISSUES and NO COMPLAINTS! The final tables are deeper because we get more hands per level with BBA and that’s even with ante being smaller than individual antes.”
From Savage’s perspective, it seems that the full BB Ante is best for most parties involved, except maybe the player or two riding the short stack. One Twitter response brought up this issue and Savage had a response:
“Pressure on short stacks, I can live with that..... as a matter of fact I want that, and so should you unless of course you are the short stackable. There is always pressure on the short stack. At the last WPTDS they were both 100BB deep heads up, the extra ante is needed!”
Clearly, if you find yourself deep in a big tournament, short-stacked and bleeding off at a five-handed table, you would probably advocate for reducing. But in most other cases, perhaps not?
Survey Says…
In big blind ante, which team are you on? Team reduce - (half bb ante if shorthanded or short at final table) or Te… https://t.co/PlFuzbp8K5
— Allen Kessler (@AllenKessler)Kessler’s Reduce or Non-Reduce Twitter survey drew more than 1,000 votes, and Team Reduce came out ahead, but not by much: 53 percent (614 votes) to 47 percent (544 votes).
Despite obvious sample bias with the survey being posted only on certain Twitter accounts, the results provide a pretty good indication that there’s still some uncertainty as to what is the best way to deal with the BBA late in tournaments. It’s new territory for poker, and a standard will likely be established after some more trial and error — and friendly Twitter debate.
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Poker Blinds Vs Antelope
Poker antes are changing a little recently in live games, to save the time of getting antes from every player, a lot of casinos are now just taking one larger ante from the player in the Big Blind or from the Button.
This can make it confusing as to how differently we should play with these new conditions, so let’s run through some pointers about it…
Should we defend our Big Blind wider?
The short answer is no, we would have paid the same amount in antes every single hand if we weren’t paying a big blind ante, so just because now we have paid the ante in one lump sum it doesn’t change our strategy for this hand alone. Once the chips are in the pot they are no longer ours, so just try not to think of it as the chips you added to the pot.
So when are there more chips in the pot?
There are going to be more chips in the pot in a big blind/button ante game when we are short-handed, so if we are playing 7 handed for example with blinds at 100/200 with a regular ante of 25 chips that would mean there is 475 chips in the pot to go after, however if we are playing the same game still 7 handed but with a big blind ante there will be 500 chips in the pot.
It’s worth noting that this can be different at many blind structures, certain players will get more aggressive during larger ante levels and open up a bigger range of hands due to this increase in pot size and play slightly more passively during a smaller ante level.
How are people adjusting?
Most live players now think that they have to defend their Big Blind much looser, this can be good and bad for us as hopefully now they will make more mistakes post flop, however once tighter players will now be defending Vs our steal attempts much more.
This can make our late position steals even more profitable however as most players post-flop will just look to hit the board to continue and just fold to any more aggression from us. Look to size down our bets against players like this and risk the minimum for when they are calling.
Does paying the ante ever affect us?
The most crucial times that we will want to be paying close attention to the new antes is when we are in early or mid position with a short stack, if we have 10 Big blinds in mid position, we only have a few more hands until we will have to pay 2 Big Blinds, blindly having to add 20% of our chips.
This means we will need to widen our shoving ranges from the Nash Chartswhich you can view here because we will shortly have a much shorter stack, if we let the Blinds pass through us we will then have 7.5bbs.
Poker Blinds Vs Anterior
So for example whilst our ranges may look like 22+ A3s+ ATo+ KJo+ K9s+ Q9s+ J9s+ T8s+ 98s+ in order to move all in from early position with 10bbs. We may want to widen these ranges by a few holdings and include one or two hands on the bottom end of our ranges, so shove K8s and K7s for example, not just K9s+.